WEBVTT 1 00:06:06.090 --> 00:06:09.549 Chris Barhyte: Just give everybody… Couple more seconds here… 2 00:06:53.200 --> 00:06:55.329 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Alright, Chris, are you ready to do… 3 00:06:59.880 --> 00:07:02.369 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: I wonder if Curt's on the wrong link. 4 00:07:03.430 --> 00:07:09.500 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: He needs to go to the events page, Hmm… 5 00:07:13.400 --> 00:07:14.190 Chris Barhyte: - 6 00:07:17.940 --> 00:07:20.140 Chris Barhyte: You want me to try him? See if he's… 7 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:31.440 Chris Barhyte: One minute here. 8 00:07:35.280 --> 00:07:36.129 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Oh, here we go. 9 00:07:38.810 --> 00:07:39.730 Chris Barhyte: Alright. 10 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:45.110 Chris Barhyte: So… Paris. 11 00:07:46.190 --> 00:08:02.630 Chris Barhyte: All right, let's, we had everybody in. Okay, how about we call the City of River Grove City Council? It's a continuing meeting from the August 24th, 2026, Planning Commission, hearing on Ordinance 824-2026. 12 00:08:03.230 --> 00:08:05.740 Chris Barhyte: So I would… is there any… 13 00:08:06.190 --> 00:08:10.569 Chris Barhyte: Before we go into it, is there any comments from something not on tonight's agenda? 14 00:08:10.570 --> 00:08:12.240 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Don't I need to take roll call? 15 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:14.129 Chris Barhyte: Oh yeah, roll call, yes, that'd be good. 16 00:08:15.260 --> 00:08:23.850 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Alright, so this is roll call for the public hearing, September 8th, 2026. Okay, Chris Barhyte. 17 00:08:24.390 --> 00:08:25.180 Chris Barhyte: Here. 18 00:08:25.180 --> 00:08:26.120 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Bill Tuttle? 19 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:28.230 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: He's waving. 20 00:08:28.410 --> 00:08:30.819 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Let's see, Curt Taylor? 21 00:08:31.370 --> 00:08:32.700 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: He's waving. 22 00:08:33.150 --> 00:08:35.650 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Where else do we have here? Doug McLean? 23 00:08:36.520 --> 00:08:37.580 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Are you here. 24 00:08:38.570 --> 00:08:39.169 Doug McLean: Here. 25 00:08:39.570 --> 00:08:42.099 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Great. And then, Leah Silber? 26 00:08:42.100 --> 00:08:42.950 Leah Silber: Here. 27 00:08:43.530 --> 00:08:47.249 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Okay, great. We have 5, counselors present tonight. 28 00:08:47.250 --> 00:09:03.279 Chris Barhyte: Okay, perfect. Okay, so if there's anything that's not on tonight's agenda that anyone wants to comment about, now would be your time. You'll still have… we still have the public hearing, but if there's just something that's not on the agenda that anybody wants to bring up, now would be the time. I guess we go Landon. 29 00:09:03.420 --> 00:09:10.530 Chris Barhyte: Well, I'm doing public there, so we'll go… Landon then, we'll go to Monique. So… Landon, you were up. 30 00:09:11.930 --> 00:09:12.970 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Let's see here. 31 00:09:13.630 --> 00:09:14.440 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Okay. 32 00:09:14.990 --> 00:09:30.690 Landon & Jude: Hi, Landon Gentry, 5600 Dogwood Drive. Said Monique, but I don't see her on. I actually wanted to, talk a little bit and correct the record on statements that Monique Tyler made that aren't directly applicable to the ordinance. 33 00:09:30.820 --> 00:09:42.330 Landon & Jude: I don't want to diminish the hardship or expense that she faced, but the facts matter. Her case went before the Planning Commission on April 6th and 18th of 2023, and was approved. 34 00:09:42.450 --> 00:09:48.769 Landon & Jude: It was appealed to City Council in May, then returned to the Planning Commission, which approved it again on June 27th. 35 00:09:48.990 --> 00:09:54.760 Landon & Jude: At the time, Alan Stonewall served on the Planning Commission, but Andrew Herbert was the chair. 36 00:09:54.890 --> 00:10:03.560 Landon & Jude: Chris Barhyte served on city council, but Jeff Williams was mayor. Two city councilors lived two doors down from the project site, and the mayor lived down the street. 37 00:10:03.830 --> 00:10:10.739 Landon & Jude: Lisa Merlot Flores was City Manager, and Kirk Flatland was the contract city planner with Tennyson Engineering. 38 00:10:10.950 --> 00:10:15.870 Landon & Jude: Blaming Alan for the hardship that occurred under an entirely different set of people is wrong. 39 00:10:16.380 --> 00:10:22.290 Landon & Jude: I'm troubled that no one on council spoke up to correct this, even though 3 of you served at the time. 40 00:10:22.650 --> 00:10:28.770 Landon & Jude: Alan has served this city as a volunteer to the best of his ability, staying true to his oath of office. 41 00:10:29.030 --> 00:10:34.349 Landon & Jude: He remained on the commission for continuity after Andrew Herbert and three other commissioners resigned. 42 00:10:34.590 --> 00:10:41.970 Landon & Jude: He reluctantly served as chair for 3 years, because none of the neighbors Jeff Williams appointed were willing to take on that role. 43 00:10:42.450 --> 00:10:50.049 Landon & Jude: He has repeatedly asked that someone more qualified stepped in, and repeatedly asked for more appointments so he could step down. 44 00:10:50.890 --> 00:10:55.760 Landon & Jude: Quite honestly, I think it's shameful that this council let those comments stand unchallenged. 45 00:10:56.210 --> 00:11:04.469 Landon & Jude: But unfortunately, it fit the narrative, scapegoating Allen and blaming the two commissioners who resigned for the supposed need to remove the Planning Commission. 46 00:11:04.630 --> 00:11:05.460 Landon & Jude: Thank you. 47 00:11:06.820 --> 00:11:14.100 Chris Barhyte: Okay, how do we go, Monique Tyler, you were up. Name and address for the rec… name and address for the record. You should be able to unmute. 48 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:18.309 Monique Tyler: Monique Tyler, 4810 Dogwood Drive. 49 00:11:18.530 --> 00:11:30.259 Monique Tyler: I'm sorry, but what you are referring to is not what I was referring to. That was the first delay in building when I brought an attorney in. 50 00:11:30.410 --> 00:11:44.149 Monique Tyler: who spoke to the issues that you are speaking to now. The issue that I am referring to is when I was delayed trying to put a rock wall in on the river. 51 00:11:44.380 --> 00:11:47.629 Monique Tyler: And Alan Stonewell was in charge. 52 00:11:47.760 --> 00:12:00.310 Monique Tyler: Alan Stonewall repeatedly told us we had 99% of the information, and when he was asked for the other 53 00:12:00.640 --> 00:12:04.580 Monique Tyler: part that was necessary. He had no response for it. 54 00:12:05.550 --> 00:12:14.729 Monique Tyler: Our… Our original entry went from 50 pages to 150 pages, with extra 55 00:12:15.620 --> 00:12:23.449 Monique Tyler: surveys done. So, I appreciate what you were trying to say, but that was the incorrect 56 00:12:23.630 --> 00:12:28.569 Monique Tyler: Second delay, and it's the third delay that was… 57 00:12:28.830 --> 00:12:38.570 Monique Tyler: after that, that I am referring to. That is when I had a 19-ton excavator sitting on my… 58 00:12:39.070 --> 00:12:44.450 Monique Tyler: for 5 months, At a cost of $2,500 a week. 59 00:12:46.860 --> 00:12:48.719 Chris Barhyte: Okay, alright. Thank you, Monique. 60 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:50.739 Monique Tyler: S. Williams was. 61 00:12:50.990 --> 00:12:57.200 Monique Tyler: The mayor, at that point, And when we had less than 2 hours' work to finish. 62 00:12:57.390 --> 00:13:03.370 Monique Tyler: He came onto the property and told the man doing the work Please stop. 63 00:13:04.150 --> 00:13:08.710 Monique Tyler: I don't know how long it took before we were finally able to finish. 64 00:13:09.210 --> 00:13:16.689 Monique Tyler: That's the first thing. The second reason, this goes to… A separate issue. 65 00:13:17.220 --> 00:13:25.380 Monique Tyler: And driving home this afternoon, there was a gentleman going through the trash can at the corner of… 66 00:13:25.880 --> 00:13:30.310 Monique Tyler: Dogwood and… Sycamore? 67 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:39.629 Monique Tyler: Not somebody from our neighborhood. I don't know if anyone else saw him or reported him. I came home being sick. 68 00:13:40.030 --> 00:13:45.219 Monique Tyler: And forgot to say anything about it to the city manager or the mayor. 69 00:13:45.750 --> 00:13:47.559 Monique Tyler: That's all I have. Thank you. 70 00:13:47.560 --> 00:13:53.949 Chris Barhyte: Thank you. Okay, Councillor Silber, do you have, just some… 71 00:13:53.950 --> 00:14:01.050 Leah Silber: I didn't want to, bring up something not on the agenda. I wanted to ask, at the end of last meeting, if I remember correctly. 72 00:14:01.760 --> 00:14:19.599 Leah Silber: You had referenced a bunch of written testimony, and I don't think that I have… I was CC'd on some of it, but I don't think I or the public has seen all of it, and I would be interested in… I don't know what our legal requirements are for how we make those public. There probably are some. I didn't have a chance to look into it, but I'm just curious. 73 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:25.050 Leah Silber: what… I would like to see them, I think, and a lot of other proceedings, they'll be read into the record, or… 74 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:30.810 Leah Silber: put on the agenda packet or something like that. Have they been made public in some way that I missed? 75 00:14:32.560 --> 00:14:34.610 Chris Barhyte: Okay. S… 76 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:38.710 Chris Barhyte: I don't know if we put… are they in the packet yet? I know that I saw some. 77 00:14:38.710 --> 00:14:43.830 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: They're not, but everything I got was actually… everybody was CC'd on in terms of the council, but… 78 00:14:43.830 --> 00:14:47.609 Chris Barhyte: We just need to… we need to add them to the record, so we need to add them to the packet. 79 00:14:48.180 --> 00:14:51.499 Chris Barhyte: record now, as written public test. 80 00:14:51.500 --> 00:15:03.919 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Yeah, I mean, essentially, when things come in to the city manager, right, it's automatically legally part of the record. So, if people want to publicly request those, and we can put them on the website, but they've been accepted into the record. 81 00:15:04.900 --> 00:15:14.280 Chris Barhyte: Okay, alright, thank you. Okay. So we've done… let's, so, let's open the… 82 00:15:14.350 --> 00:15:24.130 Chris Barhyte: public hearing on Ordinance 82426, which is a continuation of the hearing that opened August 24th, 2026 meeting, but before we take any public testimony. 83 00:15:24.180 --> 00:15:37.490 Chris Barhyte: I'd like to hear from the Council on how it wishes to proceed. Since our last meeting, enough residents have stepped forward to volunteer for the Planning Commission, I would like to move forward tonight with appointing them. Is there any Councillor who wishes to make a motion to proceed? 84 00:15:37.890 --> 00:15:45.600 Chris Barhyte: With consideration of the current Ordinance 824-2026, Curt Taylor, yes? 85 00:15:45.800 --> 00:15:48.090 Curt Taylor: Am I unmuted? I think I am. 86 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:49.990 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Nobody can hear you. 87 00:15:50.290 --> 00:15:53.490 Curt Taylor: Yeah, I'd like to make a motion to… 88 00:15:54.770 --> 00:16:04.199 Curt Taylor: And definitely postpone the adoption of the resolution to have the City Council take over Planning Commission functions. 89 00:16:06.800 --> 00:16:14.699 Chris Barhyte: Okay, before kind of entertaining that motion and getting a second, I'll, 90 00:16:14.810 --> 00:16:23.210 Chris Barhyte: ask if there's anybody in the audience that would like to talk about the public hearing that we have tonight. So, is there any other public testimony? 91 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:26.399 Chris Barhyte: That people want to make about the… 92 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:29.190 Chris Barhyte: Public hearing that we came tonight for. 93 00:16:29.930 --> 00:16:35.510 Chris Barhyte: So, if there's any… anyone from the public… Okay. 94 00:16:35.710 --> 00:16:39.259 Chris Barhyte: I don't see anyone from the public, so I'm gonna close the public hearing. 95 00:16:40.690 --> 00:16:48.109 Chris Barhyte: Now we have a motion on the table. I'm gonna ask for a second on the motion. Does anybody want to second the motion? 96 00:16:49.520 --> 00:16:51.199 Doug McLean: I'd make a second on that. 97 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:52.780 Chris Barhyte: Okay. 98 00:16:53.220 --> 00:17:04.620 Chris Barhyte: So, it was properly moved and seconded, so the motion would be to postpone Ordinance 824-2026 indefinitely. Is there any discussion on the motion? 99 00:17:05.410 --> 00:17:07.280 Chris Barhyte: Councillor Silber. 100 00:17:09.470 --> 00:17:10.640 Leah Silber: Yes, 101 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:30.199 Leah Silber: I wanted to second the motion, however, you seem to be strategically muting me again, and that is not the way this process is supposed to work. If… we're also not supposed to have a motion, and then discussion, and then a second. So the order of operations there is not correct, and we should probably correct it for the record, since these are official proceedings. 102 00:17:30.280 --> 00:17:34.570 Leah Silber: When there's a motion open, the counselors need to be unmuted so that they can… 103 00:17:35.030 --> 00:17:54.529 Leah Silber: respond to that motion. We also can't make motions at all if you're muting us. So I will make a new motion to, immediate… sorry, I'll take… I will make a new motion in the exact words that Curt made, because I'm not intending to do anything different, but we should have a motion. If we can get a second, it should immediately follow that, and then we can have discussion. 104 00:17:55.290 --> 00:17:58.830 Chris Barhyte: That is incorrect. The way I did it was proper, so… 105 00:17:59.250 --> 00:18:08.040 Leah Silber: The way… you're saying that the normal procedure is that only the people you decide get to make motions, and then before you take a second, you have discussion, and then, again, you decide who can make. 106 00:18:09.070 --> 00:18:10.650 Chris Barhyte: That's not true, I… okay. 107 00:18:10.650 --> 00:18:11.730 Leah Silber: That's… that's what happens. 108 00:18:11.730 --> 00:18:16.250 Chris Barhyte: Okay, the point is, is that what I did, is we had a motion. 109 00:18:16.250 --> 00:18:17.239 Leah Silber: Right, and I had my hand… 110 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:17.840 Chris Barhyte: And then I take… 111 00:18:17.840 --> 00:18:18.160 Leah Silber: through the. 112 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:31.110 Chris Barhyte: So, I tabled the motion because we still were in a public hearing, so I wanted to make sure there was any more comments on the public hearing. Then I closed the public hearing, and then I took a second on the motion, which someone waved their hand, and they said they second. 113 00:18:31.500 --> 00:18:32.500 Leah Silber: But my hand was open. 114 00:18:32.500 --> 00:18:33.999 Chris Barhyte: Have you ever properly moved? 115 00:18:34.230 --> 00:18:36.590 Leah Silber: Chris, my hand was open… was. 116 00:18:36.590 --> 00:18:39.700 Chris Barhyte: Your hand was out during public testimony, so I didn't see it. 117 00:18:39.700 --> 00:18:43.459 Leah Silber: Anaise manually removed my hand, and I put it back up again. 118 00:18:43.460 --> 00:18:50.469 Chris Barhyte: Okay, it doesn't matter. We have a motion moved and seconded. We're in discussion. Is it… do you have any comments on the motion? 119 00:18:50.470 --> 00:19:03.719 Leah Silber: My comment is that the motion does not withstand future scrutiny if you have not followed the rules, and if you have specifically silenced any member of the council, which you just did to me for not the first time. 120 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:14.770 Leah Silber: So as a reminder, before we have to go through the rigmarole of filing complaints, so then you can again say, oops, we won't do that anymore, let's just not do it wrong to begin with. 121 00:19:16.540 --> 00:19:17.849 Chris Barhyte: Any other comments, Ken? 122 00:19:17.850 --> 00:19:27.879 Leah Silber: Yes, my other comment is, thank you for seeing the light, Councillor Taylor. I think we're all in agreement that our community does not want this, and that it was not 123 00:19:27.890 --> 00:19:47.800 Leah Silber: a well-reasoned idea, or I would say I think it was not well-reasoned, I can't speak for the rest of you. I think we should make the appointments tonight for the folks that volunteered, or… I know we had some who volunteered on the record, and then I know Alan had some people on his list, I don't know if those are the same people or not, but we surely have enough people to 124 00:19:47.800 --> 00:19:58.279 Leah Silber: fully staff it right now, and maybe get a Planning Commission meeting on the calendar earlier than the cadence of next month's normal one, if there's anything pending, and if it's not, we can. 125 00:19:58.280 --> 00:19:58.670 Curt Taylor: I'm just hoping. 126 00:19:58.670 --> 00:20:00.389 Leah Silber: Hopefully go back to the regular schedule. 127 00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:04.329 Chris Barhyte: Okay, any other, Councillor Tuttle? 128 00:20:07.170 --> 00:20:07.940 Curt Taylor: You're. 129 00:20:07.940 --> 00:20:11.610 Bill Tuttle: Yes, if it'll, make Councillor Silber happy. 130 00:20:11.730 --> 00:20:23.180 Bill Tuttle: and avoid any complaints. I'll second her motion that, Ordinance 824-226. 131 00:20:23.430 --> 00:20:28.240 Bill Tuttle: It's postponed indefinitely, and no further action will be taken on it. 132 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:34.309 Chris Barhyte: Okay, do we have any more discussion? And then we can do a roll call. So the motion is… 133 00:20:35.110 --> 00:20:42.850 Chris Barhyte: Let me make sure I have the ordinance. Motion is to postpone Ordinance 824-2026 indefinitely. 134 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:44.840 Chris Barhyte: How about we do a roll call? 135 00:20:48.380 --> 00:20:50.370 Chris Barhyte: Oh, you're… You're muted. 136 00:20:50.370 --> 00:20:51.460 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Sorry, guys. 137 00:20:51.790 --> 00:20:55.470 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Okay, roll call on the motion. Bill Tuttle. 138 00:20:57.650 --> 00:20:58.980 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Chris Barhyte? 139 00:20:59.150 --> 00:20:59.850 Chris Barhyte: Yes. 140 00:21:00.420 --> 00:21:01.580 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Doug McLean? 141 00:21:02.010 --> 00:21:02.780 Doug McLean: Yes. 142 00:21:03.110 --> 00:21:04.150 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Curt Taylor? 143 00:21:04.530 --> 00:21:05.300 Curt Taylor: Yes. 144 00:21:05.940 --> 00:21:07.370 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: And then, Leah Silver. 145 00:21:08.040 --> 00:21:08.650 Leah Silber: Yes. 146 00:21:08.970 --> 00:21:13.329 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Okay, so we have 5 to 0 on, postponing the measure. 147 00:21:13.650 --> 00:21:18.999 Chris Barhyte: Okay, so, I'll move on to appointments of the Planning Commission. So, I… 148 00:21:19.210 --> 00:21:27.990 Chris Barhyte: I'm appointing Jeff Williams, Mary Mann, Norm Donahoe, David Friedman, and Dan Brown, to the Planning Commission. 149 00:21:28.340 --> 00:21:38.170 Chris Barhyte: Would anyone like to… and ask for Council to confirm that, so my motion… I've appointed those, I'm asking for the Council to confirm those, so… 150 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:41.320 Chris Barhyte: If, someone could make a motion to confirm… 151 00:21:41.780 --> 00:21:48.879 Leah Silber: What kind of information? Are you expanding the size of the body, or is that your way of firing Alan? And do you have the authority to fire Alan? 152 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:54.360 Chris Barhyte: I'm not firing, Alan. There's… there's still 2 people left on the commission. This takes you to 7. 153 00:21:54.360 --> 00:21:58.560 Leah Silber: Okay, so we've had 5 previously, I thought, which… I think 7 is… 154 00:21:58.770 --> 00:22:03.679 Leah Silber: Is, well within reason as well, as long as it means that we… 155 00:22:04.230 --> 00:22:08.680 Leah Silber: still think we'll get quorum, right? If the body size grows, the quorum requirements grow, so I would. 156 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:10.650 Chris Barhyte: The, the, the, 157 00:22:10.650 --> 00:22:11.380 Leah Silber: Do they not? 158 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:14.149 Chris Barhyte: No, you're right, you have to have a majority, but… 159 00:22:14.150 --> 00:22:14.530 Doug McLean: the… 160 00:22:14.530 --> 00:22:21.329 Chris Barhyte: Yeah, the body has to have no more than 7, no fewer than 5, so this gets us up there, so if someone misses, we don't have… 161 00:22:21.690 --> 00:22:32.779 Chris Barhyte: And it keeps Alan, and there's one other current member that stays on, so… and then David Friedman offered to be on the committee at the last meeting, so he's one of them, so… So… 162 00:22:32.780 --> 00:22:35.779 Leah Silber: Could you say the list just one more time? I didn't get it all down when you said it. 163 00:22:35.780 --> 00:22:39.979 Chris Barhyte: Mary Mann, Norm Donahoe, Jeff Williams, David Friedman, and Dan Brown. 164 00:22:40.420 --> 00:22:58.419 Leah Silber: So I want to object to Jeff, because that is the person you appointed to the Parks Committee who resulted in it never existing, because he didn't do the job. I don't know him, I'm not… I don't have any particular problem with him, I've never met him, but that's how the Parks Commission died, so we should not repeat that mistake. 165 00:22:58.850 --> 00:22:59.560 Chris Barhyte: Okay. 166 00:22:59.710 --> 00:23:01.690 Chris Barhyte: Councillor Tuttle. 167 00:23:02.610 --> 00:23:04.959 Bill Tuttle: I think Amy has a hand. 168 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:06.960 Chris Barhyte: Amy, sorry about that. 169 00:23:07.800 --> 00:23:08.829 Chris Barhyte: Amy, you're up. 170 00:23:09.130 --> 00:23:11.520 Chris Barhyte: Name and address for the record, or just your name. 171 00:23:12.010 --> 00:23:12.590 Bill Tuttle: Jeez. 172 00:23:12.890 --> 00:23:14.010 Doug McLean: He's muted. 173 00:23:14.510 --> 00:23:21.709 Amy moon: Hi, this is Amy. So I have a question. So, I don't understand, what are we proposing to… 174 00:23:21.850 --> 00:23:28.870 Amy moon: put off. You guys… Can someone explain to me? 175 00:23:29.500 --> 00:23:37.829 Chris Barhyte: Yeah, we had an ordinance that we're just postponing, so we're not doing the ordinance. It was a public hearing, and we've postponed the ordinance. Now we're just appointing people to a planning commission. 176 00:23:37.830 --> 00:23:41.380 Amy moon: What was the ordinance that you're postponing? 177 00:23:41.820 --> 00:23:50.030 Chris Barhyte: It was an ordinance to, temporarily disband… to, just temporarily pause the Planning Commission, but that's now off table. It's passed where it's off the table. 178 00:23:50.530 --> 00:23:54.610 Amy moon: Okay, so we'll keep going with the planning commission? 179 00:23:54.610 --> 00:23:55.360 Chris Barhyte: Yep. 180 00:23:55.360 --> 00:23:56.909 Amy moon: Okay, alright, thank you, sorry. 181 00:23:56.910 --> 00:23:58.990 Chris Barhyte: Councillor Tuttle. 182 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:05.370 Bill Tuttle: I move, to approve the list that the mayor presented. 183 00:24:06.700 --> 00:24:09.470 Chris Barhyte: Would anyone like to second the list? Second the motion? 184 00:24:09.470 --> 00:24:11.499 Bill Tuttle: appointed the Planning Commission. 185 00:24:12.310 --> 00:24:13.520 Doug McLean: I'll second it. 186 00:24:15.090 --> 00:24:20.030 Chris Barhyte: Okay, so we have, moved and seconded. Discussion on the motion? 187 00:24:20.650 --> 00:24:22.049 Chris Barhyte: Councillor Silber. 188 00:24:22.050 --> 00:24:30.729 Leah Silber: Yeah, I think we should discuss, why we would, in an effort to show people, like, hey, we hear that the community wants to be involved, we are… 189 00:24:31.490 --> 00:24:40.719 Leah Silber: Stepping back this other move that wasn't very popular, why we would then staff that commission with somebody that we know has not shown up for an extended period of time. 190 00:24:40.810 --> 00:24:50.210 Leah Silber: I think there were probably other volunteers, or we could get other volunteers, but we can't… I don't want us to be able to be accused later of 191 00:24:50.210 --> 00:25:01.139 Leah Silber: Making this fail, or setting it up to fail, so we should have… either we should keep the body smaller, or the body should be, filled with only people that we know are actually going to do the job. 192 00:25:01.180 --> 00:25:17.350 Leah Silber: And my other question is, did you tell… did you talk to the people before appointing them as another measure of, is this going to be successful? Like, I know David was on the call last week, but did we talk to him and Norm and Dan, who I don't know, but I assume… 193 00:25:17.350 --> 00:25:25.010 Chris Barhyte: I've talked to everybody with David Freeman, but he was pretty adamant on that call about volunteering to be on the committee, so I… I don't know if I need to talk to him. 194 00:25:25.010 --> 00:25:29.179 Leah Silber: I think in general, if you want people to show up to work, you have to tell them when you give them a job. 195 00:25:29.560 --> 00:25:41.150 Chris Barhyte: Well, we haven't… he's been… he'll be appointed, but there's no job to show up to yet. I mean, he's not… he hasn't missed a meeting, so… I felt like he was pretty confident about being on it. He definitely volunteered in a public meeting. 196 00:25:41.150 --> 00:25:46.810 Leah Silber: Chris, I'm not arguing with you, I'm telling you, we will be more successful if you check with people before you appoint them. 197 00:25:46.810 --> 00:25:49.629 Chris Barhyte: Are there any other comments from counselors? 198 00:25:50.370 --> 00:25:52.480 Chris Barhyte: Okay, let's do a roll call. 199 00:25:53.860 --> 00:25:55.769 Chris Barhyte: City Manager, how about we do a roll call? 200 00:25:56.730 --> 00:26:03.839 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Okay, sorry, I'm done. Okay, roll call, here we go, let me find everybody. Doug McLean. 201 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:05.480 Doug McLean: Yes. 202 00:26:05.930 --> 00:26:07.150 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Curt Taylor? 203 00:26:07.150 --> 00:26:08.070 Curt Taylor: Yes. 204 00:26:08.890 --> 00:26:10.200 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Bill Tuttle? 205 00:26:11.790 --> 00:26:14.560 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Yes, okay, Leah Silber? 206 00:26:14.560 --> 00:26:17.280 Leah Silber: I will vote yes on everybody but Jeff. 207 00:26:17.670 --> 00:26:23.420 Leah Silber: If we have to separate the motions to make that plausible, then we should. Maybe we do a motion for everybody, and then a motion for Jeff. 208 00:26:23.420 --> 00:26:27.949 Chris Barhyte: Well, the motion on the table is basically the slate, so are you… you can vote. 209 00:26:27.950 --> 00:26:28.790 Leah Silber: Right, but it doesn't 210 00:26:29.290 --> 00:26:39.719 Leah Silber: It didn't cost us anything to make a motion, so… to adjust the motion so that the facts can actually reflect the perspectives of the counselors. So, like, do you want… 211 00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:44.190 Chris Barhyte: That's what it is. I mean, if you don't want to vote yes, I mean, you can vote yes or no, so we just need your vote. 212 00:26:44.190 --> 00:26:52.170 Leah Silber: Yes, you are forcing my hand to either say yes to someone who we know has failed us, or say no to a bunch of people who want to do their job, and I'm not sure why that's the… 213 00:26:52.170 --> 00:26:52.510 Chris Barhyte: Okay. 214 00:26:52.510 --> 00:26:53.950 Leah Silber: community-oriented. 215 00:26:53.950 --> 00:26:57.230 Chris Barhyte: So you can abstain, so I'll… how about… do I say you abstain? 216 00:26:57.230 --> 00:26:59.529 Leah Silber: No, because then you're gonna put other words in my mouth here. 217 00:26:59.530 --> 00:27:01.880 Chris Barhyte: I'm not… Okay, so… 218 00:27:02.190 --> 00:27:10.660 Leah Silber: I would like to make a friendly amendment to adjust the motion, to remove Jeff from the list, and then we can make a separate motion for Jeff. 219 00:27:12.150 --> 00:27:12.549 Doug McLean: Okay. 220 00:27:12.550 --> 00:27:15.439 Chris Barhyte: Okay, I will vote, so right now, I don't know how she's voting. 221 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:15.880 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Oh, yeah. 222 00:27:15.900 --> 00:27:18.559 Chris Barhyte: Yes, so right now it's 4… basically… 223 00:27:18.560 --> 00:27:21.630 Leah Silber: Because normally when there's an amendment, are you rejecting it, or are you just assuming… 224 00:27:21.630 --> 00:27:27.560 Chris Barhyte: Do you know your friends will second it? I've appointed these folks to the commission, I've told them, so I'm not gonna… 225 00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:31.819 Chris Barhyte: So, that's how the… right now, the vote is for… 226 00:27:32.980 --> 00:27:38.059 Chris Barhyte: I guess 4 to… I don't… I guess I need to figure out how we do this, but currently the vote is 4 to. 227 00:27:38.060 --> 00:27:38.710 Leah Silber: Or… 228 00:27:38.710 --> 00:27:39.290 Chris Barhyte: I'm just… 229 00:27:39.290 --> 00:27:43.939 Leah Silber: do the free thing I'm asking you to do. Why are you trying to force this one way or the other? 230 00:27:43.940 --> 00:27:44.490 Chris Barhyte: Juliet. 231 00:27:44.490 --> 00:27:44.870 Leah Silber: Administrator. 232 00:27:44.870 --> 00:27:45.380 Chris Barhyte: Here's the problem. 233 00:27:45.380 --> 00:27:45.760 Leah Silber: ain'. 234 00:27:45.760 --> 00:27:46.989 Chris Barhyte: He took a vote. 235 00:27:47.100 --> 00:27:52.040 Chris Barhyte: We didn't… we already started the vote. We have a majority already that have voted on a motion. 236 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.509 Leah Silber: So let's rescind the motion and make the one that makes everybody happy. 237 00:27:56.510 --> 00:27:59.530 Chris Barhyte: Okay, so the vote is, I guess, 4 to… 238 00:27:59.700 --> 00:28:17.679 Leah Silber: I just want to put on the record that you're being difficult for the sake of it. I will vote yes, I will vote yes, and I will put on the record that I don't approve of you putting your friends on a commission that you know they haven't shown up for in the past. Sorry, not this one, but the other one. And I also just want to say out loud, in the strongest words possible, you are being obstinate for no reason. 239 00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.049 Chris Barhyte: I am not being obstinate. 240 00:28:19.050 --> 00:28:23.650 Doug McLean: I think that what you just said is now on the record. 241 00:28:23.650 --> 00:28:24.080 Leah Silber: Yes. 242 00:28:24.080 --> 00:28:36.199 Doug McLean: I don't really think we need to do an amendment to it, but it is on the record of what you said, but we just do… need to finish this out. Unfortunately, it sometimes happens that 243 00:28:36.450 --> 00:28:38.589 Doug McLean: 1 out of 7 may not be… 244 00:28:39.650 --> 00:28:43.469 Doug McLean: You know, the preferred choice for everyone, but… 245 00:28:43.500 --> 00:28:51.840 Leah Silber: Doug, it's not a bad choice. I literally don't know the man. I'm just like, if we're trying to do a good faith thing here, why would we half-ass it? Just do the… 246 00:28:52.030 --> 00:29:00.129 Chris Barhyte: I don't… I don't think we are half-assing. I think we did the right thing tonight. I think we did… you… you were an advocate to not do the ordinance, which we've done what you have asked. 247 00:29:00.130 --> 00:29:00.810 Leah Silber: I'm thrilled about it. 248 00:29:00.810 --> 00:29:10.069 Chris Barhyte: yeah, we appreciate you pushing us in that direction, but we've… we have a… we have a vote now, it's 5-0, so… 249 00:29:10.190 --> 00:29:15.399 Chris Barhyte: The meeting… Is over, but I guess Councillor Tuttle has a question. 250 00:29:15.580 --> 00:29:23.590 Bill Tuttle: Yeah, in retrospect, the record will document, Councillor Silber's objection to, Mr. Williams. 251 00:29:23.740 --> 00:29:24.630 Bill Tuttle: Former Maker. 252 00:29:24.630 --> 00:29:34.050 Leah Silber: Could we get an answer to the question from earlier to Analise? Are there open applications right now that the Planning Commission would be able to hear if it met in the next week or two? 253 00:29:34.530 --> 00:29:36.650 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Nope, no applications. 254 00:29:37.090 --> 00:29:43.689 Leah Silber: Okay, are there applications waiting that are not complete, but are… might become complete soon? 255 00:29:44.040 --> 00:29:44.580 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: Nope. 256 00:29:45.460 --> 00:29:51.019 Leah Silber: Okay, great. So then the next Planning Commission is Monday, October 5th, yes? 257 00:29:51.780 --> 00:29:52.350 Chris Barhyte: Yeah, that was… 258 00:29:52.350 --> 00:29:56.159 Analeis Weidlich - City Manager: It's a regular scheduled meeting, yeah. Or the next scheduled meeting. 259 00:29:56.910 --> 00:29:58.790 Leah Silber: Alright, well, that sounds great, I'm glad to hear it. 260 00:29:58.790 --> 00:30:00.800 Chris Barhyte: That's good. All right. Thanks, everybody. 261 00:30:01.590 --> 00:30:02.770 Leah Silber: It might be good to let.